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Post by Naxir on Mar 8, 2006 22:34:21 GMT -5
Ritz: I'm not sick of it, I am happy that I'm pretty knowledgable(Not like Skylark though) about this game.
Bundy: CONGRATS! Even though I was watching at the time.
Skylark: You stole my quote again darn you! j/k
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Post by ritz on Mar 8, 2006 23:03:28 GMT -5
whoa... I am confused. What am I not sick of? OH! KH? maybe since that IS what we are talking about on this thread... Goodness! I hate being blonde.
and he isn't going to be watching me the whole time
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Post by Skylark on Mar 8, 2006 23:06:46 GMT -5
I think what DarkTriforce was trying to do was reply to specific people, not make a story...
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Post by Naxir on Mar 8, 2006 23:50:00 GMT -5
Yup, that was my intent
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Post by ritz on Mar 9, 2006 17:30:20 GMT -5
oh... CURSE MY BLONDE GENES! lol oh well... now that I understand what you meant, things make a lot more sense...
okay, here's a question. I talked to Akyra about this, but I am still lost. How did Namine come to be. I know that she is Kairi's shadow, but how does that work? I thought that Kairi didn't have any darkness in her.
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Post by Skylark on Mar 10, 2006 19:20:02 GMT -5
Okay, bear with me, I need to explain some things first. I'll try to make this as spoiler free as possible.
In Kingdom Hearts, the body is made up of three things. The Body, the Soul, and the Heart. When someone loses their heart to darkness, it gets seperated from the body and soul. This part helps when you think of it like Algebra. The Heart gets seperated, goes across the equals sign, and therefore becomes inverted. A Heartless. That's not the exact definition of it, I'm just able to picture it in my mind better that way. So someones loses their body to the darkness, and their heart becomes a Heartless. Simple enough.
And now for the body and soul. So what happens to them? They go through something similar. After the whole losing your heart to darness thing, there are without a heart. Seeing as they have no heart, they become "Mere Shells", "Nobodies", "Non Existent Ones", "Dusk", whatever you want to call them. They are like heartless, because they become thing that cannot act on their own accord, they become ravenging beasts.
There are some cases though, were people have stronger hearts than others, so they get special privileges. Sometimes they get to keep their human form and memories. The members of the XIII Order are Nobodies who were able to keep their human form. But that's just the Nobody. There could very well be a heartless version of them walking around somewhere.
A strong heart doesn't have to be clean and free of darkness. It's kinda fun to know that three individuals with the strongest hearts though, are Sora, Riku, and Kairi. And yes, like you said, Kairi's has absolutely no darkness in her heart.
Now that that's out of the way, I'll do my best to explain Namine. I'll explain to the best of my knowledge, but it's still really complicated, so please bear with me.
You'll have to think pretty for back on this one. At the beginning of the first game, Riku opened the Door to Darkness on Destiny Islands and made a pretty chaotic scene about it. When Sora finds Kairi, the darkness had already taken her body, and the heart was barely clinging to existence. So a gust of wind comes from the door and pushes Kairi into Sora. But her heart did not fade into darkness, but used sora as a vessel. And so as Sora travels throughout the game, he starts remembering memories that aren't his, but are Kairi's. He starts seeing Kairi everywhere, and we think that he has an unhealthy crush on her... Which isn't entirely false... But yeah, that's just him seeing Kairi because Kairi is with and stuff.
Don't worry, Namine is coming up...
Cut to Hollow Bastion. This is where it gets complicated. Ansem, who is using Riku's body, tells Sora that Kairi is a Princess and that her heart is in him. Ansem then tries to take her heart from Sora by force, and there's a battle that Bundy couldn't beat for the life of him. After the battle, Sora tries to seal the gynormous keyhole, but it wasn't complete, because it lacked all of the hearts necessary for it to be complete. Sora then sees the Keyblade born of the captive pricesses hearts that is able to unlock hearts, and gets an idea. He picks up the Keyblade, and -PAY CLOSE ATTENTION TO THIS PART- turns it on himself, and releases BOTH his and Kairi's hearts at the SAME time.
Remember what I said about when there is a seperation of the heart from the body and soul, a nobody is created? Kairi was using Sora's body as a vessel. Kairi's heart was seperated from Sora's body. A Nobody was created. That Nobody, is Namine.
Now this is a very special nobody, because she came about through a very special process/situation. Honestly, how many people have two hearts? Both of them being released at he same time, Namine is born. She is truely is a nobody. Because she was born this way, she has no memories of when she was Kairi. She still has a body though. She's a very unstable existence.
This paragraph isn't necessary to know, but it's a nice little tidbit of information. You know how she is able to mess around with Sora's memories? That's because when Kairi's heart was with Sora, they were comuning directly with one another. So, in a way, Namine has directly interfered with Sora's Heart. So she's able to mess with it. She could crush it if she wanted to.
Keep in mind that anything is subject to change the second that Kingdom Hearts 2 comes out. I have no idea what Nomura has in store.
So... That should be about it... You okay? Did that help at all?
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Post by ritz on Mar 11, 2006 22:02:17 GMT -5
wow, It makes a lot more sense now! Thanks. What about Namura. Who is that?
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Post by Naxir on Mar 11, 2006 23:46:14 GMT -5
Tetsuya Nomura, he's the creator of KH
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Post by ritz on Mar 14, 2006 23:19:52 GMT -5
How do you guys know these things?
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Post by Naxir on Mar 15, 2006 14:23:14 GMT -5
.........Places.......and internet! ^_^ Here's some resources: www.kh2.co.uk/www.khinsider.com/If you don't check out these places frequently you miss out I'm gonna copy an idea from kh2.co.uk(Me and Skylark call it 'couk' for short) What they are doing is because starting today there are XIII days till KH2 comes out. They are posting the DeepDive quote from that number every day. XIII "Where's Sora?" "We must find him" ____ 12 "A creation born of ignorrance," ____ 11 Behind the darkness / Door to the light ____ X The sercet place "His voice...It's left me." "This time...I'll fight." ____ 9 A World Between = A Forgotten World The gathering UPDATE! Hey, found the back of the KH2 box www.kh2.co.uk/image.php?view=cow02.jpg____ VIII The Third Enemy = Nobody "Who is Nobody you ask? They are the Nonexistant ones." ____ VII ENDLESS "What took you so long, Kairi?" "Can we do it? Against that?" ____ 6 [The Thirteenth Order]----------ID-------- Metamorphosis "Sora?" "Sora... Why?" "Your Highness! But why?" ___ 5 Change The third key ___ 4 End of the World "What is this place?" "Is this the answer you've been looking for?" "This is the world in its true form." "Maybe our journey meant nothing after all." ___ 3 Paridise
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Post by ritz on Mar 23, 2006 21:52:09 GMT -5
I didn't understand that bit, but the game is coming out this week!!! SOOOOOOO excited!!!!
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Post by Naxir on Mar 23, 2006 21:54:52 GMT -5
(I was thinking for a moment that people forgot this thread...)
Yeah! Six days!
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Post by ritz on Mar 25, 2006 0:39:00 GMT -5
oh, never forget, just prolong until the game comes out and we can rave about how freaking awesome it is!
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Post by The Twilight Prince on Mar 25, 2006 1:18:13 GMT -5
lol, ive been readingup on it, im way excited! and yes 5... no 4 more days
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Post by Naxir on Mar 26, 2006 12:26:06 GMT -5
Just a reminder, KH2 will be coming out the 29th. I don't know if it's just for Gamestop or not, but yeah. And for the countdown I'm still updating that one post. I'm not really going to spread it out
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Post by Skylark on Mar 26, 2006 20:16:36 GMT -5
If it's just for GameStop, I'm going to screw the reserve I have on it there and buy it elsewhere!
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Post by ritz on Mar 28, 2006 2:18:58 GMT -5
I am so mad!!! I have to wait another whole day to get KH2. Stupid game stop. "We need a stock day." BULL CRAP. All you have to do is open the freaking box and start a line. Who needs shelves? Just give me the game!!! Sorry, I am one of the most impatient peoples I know! lol
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Post by Skylark on Mar 28, 2006 9:47:07 GMT -5
The excuse they gave me was "The 28th is the shipping day- hur hur". If this means I have to wait a whole nother day...
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Post by ritz on Mar 28, 2006 16:56:16 GMT -5
I just discovered that it is possible to die of boredom. I need that game! It is a life or death situation!
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Post by The Twilight Prince on Mar 29, 2006 8:40:58 GMT -5
sadly enough, i have to say, will not be playing this for a while... stupid non ps2 owning me! lol. well have fun! and dont spoil too much for me!
Later that day: ok i am going mad, its harder to hold out than i thought, it was ok at school but now that im home and have nothing to do... its eating me up!!! ah! crap, i have to hold out... *inhale* *exhale* ok i think i might make it...
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